Best gif/debate thrad ever!

ill just leave this here... http://cache.gawker.com/assets/image...obamagoths.jpg

Lol, the Spanish Prime Ministers daughters

Do not want.

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Originally Posted by xWhite_Shadowx

The US COULD be self efficient for about 3 decades before needing other countries, it's been calculated, found that out in Economics :P, they just have to ration products, the US can make most of what they need, but Specialization and Trade makes it easier and cheaper for other countries to do it, all the while stimulating the economy and increasing GDP, so on its own the US could last.

I'd really like to see that, as I find that extremely hard to believe...
You definitely wouldn't be running as a super power with the changes you'd have to make even if you could survive for 30 years...

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Originally Posted by WhoIsYou

Lol yes, of course you had to resort to that xD

Still not making the President the most powerful person in the world...

Countries are only powerful due to what they have. Take that away, and the country is suddenly less powerful. What would happen if every country broke any relations they have with the US (and made up for it by going to other countries for whatever they needed)? The US would have their military, but then what happens to your economy, or just your supply of anything. Quite a bit of the US's electricity comes from outside the US... If that gets cut off... What happens?

Of course the same can be said for pretty much any country, but my point is... Calling a single country the most powerful is idiotic, because they need the support from other countries as well.

But yes... As it stands, if you really want to look at it your way the US is "The most powerful country"

(Still doesn't make el pres the most powerful in the world though xD)

lol, that right there makes your whole huge ass scenario defunct. Of course if everything that makes the US what it is suddenly disappeared...it wouldn't be what it is today.

Sure, the US needs support from other countries...but so does every other country in the world.

(fact: el pres is the most powerful person in the most powerful country. anything more than that...well, I guess that's harder to identify...so take it as you will.)

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Originally Posted by Pain_ELementaL

lol, that right there makes your whole huge ass scenario defunct. Of course if everything that makes the US what it is suddenly disappeared...it wouldn't be what it is today.

No, it doesn't make it 'defunct' it's just a fact. Like I said, my whole point is, the country is powerful due to it's support/relations with other countries as well. On it's own, it's no powerhouse.

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Sure, the US needs support from other countries...but so does every other country in the world.

Exactly what I said...

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(fact: el pres is the most powerful person in the most powerful country. anything more than that...well, I guess that's harder to identify...so take it as you will.)

That still doesn't mean that the President of the US is the most powerful person in the world.
That would be like saying:
Oh SOCOM is a harder game than COD, so the best player at SOCOM is definitely better than everyone else when he plays COD too...

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Originally Posted by WhoIsYou

No, it doesn't make it 'defunct' it's just a fact. Like I said, my whole point is, the country is powerful due to it's support/relations with other countries as well. On it's own, it's no powerhouse.

Exactly what I said...

That still doesn't mean that the President of the US is the most powerful person in the world.
That would be like saying:
Oh SOCOM is a harder game than COD, so the best player at SOCOM is definitely better than everyone else when he plays COD too...

It does make it defunct, even if it is a fact. You posted a scenario, and then immediately followed with how it was meaningless...making it defunct.

EVERY country out there is powerful because of its relations with other countries. NO country out there would be what it is today without its support...I don't know why you don't get that. If every country somehow became independent, solely working in the chaos of internal work only... the USA would most likely be on top.

And that's a horrible analogy. COD and Socom have nothing to do with each other. You're basically comparing the power of the US to that of the Martian Military.

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Originally Posted by Pain_ELementaL

It does make it defunct, even if it is a fact. You posted a scenario, and then immediately followed with how it was meaningless...making it defunct.

I didn't say it was meaningless... I simply stated the truth...... That it applies for every country. But that doesn't mean what I said is incorrect.

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EVERY country out there is powerful because of its relations with other countries. NO country out there would be what it is today without its support...I don't know why you don't get that. If every country somehow became independent, solely working in the chaos of internal work only... the USA would most likely be on top.

I DO get that every country is where it is because of it's support, although I don't get how you still think the US would come out on top... All they'd really have is the military. A lot of countries have a lot more resources that would allow them to survive on their own. Honestly, what will you do? Blow up a few countries then slowly die?

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And that's a horrible analogy. COD and Socom have nothing to do with each other. You're basically comparing the power of the US to that of the Martian Military.

Nah, the point wasn't the actual games... It was the 'difficulty' and how being the best at the harder thing doesn't necessarily mean you're the best at everything.
Same with power, being the most powerful person of the most powerful country, doesn't mean you're the most powerful overall.

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Originally Posted by WhoIsYou

I didn't say it was meaningless... I simply stated the truth...... That it applies for every country. But that doesn't mean what I said is incorrect.

I DO get that every country is where it is because of it's support, although I don't get how you still think the US would come out on top... All they'd really have is the military. A lot of countries have a lot more resources that would allow them to survive on their own. Honestly, what will you do? Blow up a few countries then slowly die?

Nah, the point wasn't the actual games... It was the 'difficulty' and how being the best at the harder thing doesn't necessarily mean you're the best at everything.
Same with power, being the most powerful person of the most powerful country, doesn't mean you're the most powerful overall.

Oh yeah, we only have a military...no big deal. I mean, it's only what governs international law...no biggy.

"A lot of countries have a lot more resources that would allow them to survive on their own. Honestly, what will you do? Blow up a few countries then slowly die?"

Lol! Yeah, they'll sit there and use their fuel to drive cars around, and eat their crops...meanwhile we use our military to take it all? C'mon, use your head.

It's obvious I'm not going to be able to convince you that the US president is the most powerful person on the world, so I'd like to ask that you tell me who is.

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Originally Posted by Pain_ELementaL

Oh yeah, we only have a military...no big deal. I mean, it's only what governs international law...no biggy.

"A lot of countries have a lot more resources that would allow them to survive on their own. Honestly, what will you do? Blow up a few countries then slowly die?"

Lol! Yeah, they'll sit there and use their fuel to drive cars around, and eat their crops...meanwhile we use our military to take it all? C'mon, use your head.

It's obvious I'm not going to be able to convince you that the US president is the most powerful person on the world, so I'd like to ask that you tell me who is.

"Lol! Yeah, they'll sit there and use their fuel to drive cars around, and eat their crops...meanwhile we use our military to take it all? C'mon, use your head."

Having the largest army or most powerful doesn't mean you can take out EVERY other country, unless you plan on nuking them... In that case, there's nothing left for you to take... Which leads me back to the "dying slowly" So yeah, there goes that.

"It's obvious I'm not going to be able to convince you that the US president is the most powerful person on the world, so I'd like to ask that you tell me who is."

No one and everyone.

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Originally Posted by WhoIsYou

"Lol! Yeah, they'll sit there and use their fuel to drive cars around, and eat their crops...meanwhile we use our military to take it all? C'mon, use your head."

Having the largest army or most powerful doesn't mean you can take out EVERY other country, unless you plan on nuking them... In that case, there's nothing left for you to take... Which leads me back to the "dying slowly" So yeah, there goes that.

"It's obvious I'm not going to be able to convince you that the US president is the most powerful person on the world, so I'd like to ask that you tell me who is."

No one and everyone.

"Having the largest army or most powerful doesn't mean you can take out EVERY other country, unless you plan on nuking them... In that case, there's nothing left for you to take... Which leads me back to the "dying slowly" So yeah, there goes that."

You make it sound like all the US can do is nuke. Having a powerful military involves much more than nuclear warfare. If the US decided to take over Canada, nukes wouldn't need to be used...same for Mexico. Your land would still be usable...preventing the "slowly dying". Sure, nukes can be used on Russia, China, or some other huge threats...but it's not like the entire world needs to be nuked.

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Originally Posted by Pain_ELementaL

"Having the largest army or most powerful doesn't mean you can take out EVERY other country, unless you plan on nuking them... In that case, there's nothing left for you to take... Which leads me back to the "dying slowly" So yeah, there goes that."

You make it sound like all the US can do is nuke. Having a powerful military involves much more than nuclear warfare. If the US decided to take over Canada, nukes wouldn't need to be used...same for Mexico. Your land would still be usable...preventing the "slowly dying". Sure, nukes can be used on Russia, China, or some other huge threats...but it's not like the entire world needs to be nuked.

Well that's not what I was trying to make it sound like, but the point still stands... If you're going to start taking over land in such a situation, then you might want to start using nukes, because at that point, it's whoever hits the other first...

And really, if the US were to take over Canada and Mexico, how would you use all that land or even keep control over it?

We're getting into really stupid scenarios now -_-